Next Gen PlayStation: zvonuri si discutii

[paul]

M-am gandit ca daca avem Next Gen Xbox: zvonuri si discutii, sa fie un loc si pentru urmatorul PlayStation.

Ieri Nishino, president si CEO SIE, a raspuns asa cand a fost intrebat daca urmatoarea generatie va fi cloud gaming:

“Cloud streaming is progressing well from a technical standpoint, as we have demonstrated with [our] offerings, but end-to-end network stability is not in our control and the higher cost per playtime compared to the traditional console model remains a challenge."

“Cloud gaming is increasingly providing an additional option for players to access content, but our belief is that the majority of players continue to want to experience gaming through local execution without dependency on network conditions. And PS5 and PS5 Pro have validated this thesis, I believe.”

“We now have a large ecosystem of highly engaged players across both the PlayStation 5 and the PlayStation 4 generations. So naturally, therefore, there’s a huge interest in our next generation console strategy.”

“While we cannot share further details at this stage, the future of the platform is top of mind. We are committed to exploring a new and enhanced way for players to engage with our content and services.”

Zvonurile spun ca va fi si o portabila. Ceva detalii de la KeplerL2:

KeplerL2: There is no planned Z3 lineup for AMD's next-gen APUs. The next OEM handheld APU lineup (if it happens at all, as AMD seems to be losing interest in this market) will be with their next-next-gen lineup in 2029. The only AMD handheld with AI upscaling anytime soon will be the Playstation handheld.

Source: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rog-x...post-270507134

so we can expect the handheld to have 16GB of ram.
KeplerL2: Well duh, 16 GB of LPDDR5X is dirt cheap

We can also expect that machine to have 36CUs
KeplerL2: Nah, remember RDNA5 has way way way higher perf/CU.

Source: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/plays...post-270498839

KeplerL2: Handheld only has 1/3 the memory bandwidth of the PS5 (although more cache and improved memory compression), it's pretty obvious that a mode that cuts bandwidth in half is meant to simulate the handheld.

Source: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/plays...post-270498604

How much more cache? Do you know?
KeplerL2: 4MB L2 + 16MB MALL

Source: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/plays...post-270498917

Would they launch with this type of memory few years down the line still though?
KeplerL2: Yeah, LPDDR6 is too far away still

RDNA5 or RDNA6 though? Isn't this a spin off of the PS6 die?
KeplerL2: Both are a fork of gfx13 (RDNA5/UDNA/whatever AMD decides to call it)

how does it compare to PS5 GPU again (main bandwidth abuser)?
KeplerL2: PS5 and PS5 Pro are both 4MB L2 but with no MALL (Infinity Cache)

Source: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/plays...post-270498940

[paul]

Zen 6 Magnus Leak: AMD's MASSIVE APU for PS6? (+ Medusa Point Specs):

0:00 (NEW Leak) AMD Zen 6 Medusa Gets 22 Cores!
3:21 How this design saves MONEY
7:00 Why Eight Compute Units Makes Sense
11:20 (NEW Leak) Zen 6 Specs Update
15:28 (NEW Leak) AMD Magnus Gaming APU for PS6?!

[paul]

PlayStation "Orion" (PS6 Home Console) and PlayStation "Canis" (PS6 Handheld) early Specs Leak from Moore’s Law Is Dead. : r/GamingLeaksAndRumours:

PlayStation "Orion" (PS6 Home Console):
-Chiplet Design, with some mention of possibly utilizing "Navi 5" Desktop chiplets.
-Backwards Compatibility to PS5 and PS4 Generations. (no mention of PS3)
-Heavy Emphasis on Cost Constraints, and keeping power lower than PS5.
-Manufacturing Planned for Mid-2027, with a likely Fall 2027 or Early-2028 Release Date.
-160W TBP
-8 x Zen 6 (or later) Cores
-40-48 RDNA 5 Compute Units @ 3GHz+
-160-bit or 192-bit bus w/ GDDR7@32GT/s+-
-Rasterisation Performance estimated to be ~3x PS5 (Ray Tracing Uplift Expected to be Higher)

*Because Canis is verified to be on 3nm, and Magnus is on 3nm - It is believed this is 3nm as well.

*It's clear that PS6 "Orion" started as a chiplet design that looked kinda like an RDNA 3 layout, but it's also clear that AMD was trying to convince Sony to share dies with desktop...so it's very possible that the final design could use AT3 or AT (like XBOX Magnus), and therefore it could end up getting more than 48 Compute Units...but likely the same or less than XBOX.

PlayStation "Canis" (PS6 Handheld):
-Monolithic 3nm Die (He was able to verify THIS in modern documents)
-Backwards Compatibility to PS5 and PS4 Generations. (no mention of PS3)
-Canis includes a MicroSD Slot, M.2 SSD Slot, Haptic Vibration, Dual Mics, and a Touchscreen.
-Specifically, a diagram states that the USB-C port has video out capabilities.
-Manufacturing Planned for Mid-2027, with a likely Fall 2027 or Early-2028 Release Date.
-15W TBP
-4 x Zen 6c Cores
-12-20 RDNA 5 Compute Units @ 1.6-2GHz
-128-bit bus w/ LPDDR5X-7500+
-Rasterization Performance estimated to be ~0.5x PS5 (RT Expected to be higher than this)

*Canis should beat XBOX Ally X in performance, but it doesn't come off as a "powerhouse".

[paul]

Update pentru portabila:

0:00 Pictures of AMD Canis based on Dimensions & Specs!
1:02 PS6 Handheld Specs Overview
2:51 BEWARE of FAKE Rumors
4:37 Sony MASSIVELY upgraded the Specs!
5:29 PS6 Canis & PS6 Orion -Cost Estimate
12:30 This wasn’t Easy! Subscribe & Join Patreon!!!
12:30 Game Dev Testimonials on Required RAM
17:57 PS6S Performance & Full Specs Leak
25:30 Sony wants PS4 Gamers to UPGRADE!

[qdx]

Daca urmatoarea generatie de playstation va fi facuta cum a fost si ps5/ps5pro cand va iesi va avea toate sansele sa fie deja depasita chiar de la lansare.

[Cristache07]

Eu am niste dubii privind compatibilitatea cu PS5, adica sa nu existe si sa functioneze PS5 si PS6 in paralel. Pot face asta.... Exemplul cel mai bun este PS3 vs PS4.
Asa "depasit" cum e PS5 are in librarie zeci de jocuri excelente. Pentru mine este cea mai buna optiune si cea mai buna generatie de pana acum. Preturile la jocuri sunt bune versus Steam si Nintendo Switch iar performanta este decenta.

[lucicleric]

100% va fi backwards compatible dmdv, chiar si cu ps4. Cat despre preturi, eu stiam ca steam e top la preturi, ma mir ca spui ca sony sunt mai okey la pricing, poate doar SH

[Cristache07]

Fata de Steam sunt okay la pricing insa eu ma refer retail in principiu. Astepti cateva luni si au pret mai bun si pe store.
Exemplu concret, MGS Delta. E 71 eur acum. Pe Steam e 80

[paul]

PS6 "Orion" full specs:

0:00 Next-Gen Features that will BLOW YOUR MIND!
1:47 AMD Orion APU Overview
6:01 PS6 vs PS5 vs PC GPU Performance
10:16 PS6 Ray Tracing Example
12:00 PS6 Full Specs Summary
17:00 PS6 vs XBOX Magnus
19:10 Next-Gen IS a BIG Leap!

[paul]

From Project Amethyst to the Future of Play: AMD and Sony Interactive Entertainment’s Shared Vision:

AMD’s Jack Huynh, SVP and GM, Computing and Graphics Group, and Mark Cerny, lead architect of PS5 and PS5 Pro, discuss the latest developments from Project Amethyst – the collaboration between Sony Interactive Entertainment and AMD focused on Machine Learning-based technology for graphics and gameplay – a shared commitment to push gaming technology forward.

Mark and Jack share three gaming technology breakthroughs that will lead to benefits across the gaming industry in the future.

Cele trei tehnologii sunt Neural Arrays, Radiance Cores si Universal Compression.

I'm really excited about bringing them to a future console in a few years’ time.

Neural Arrays – instead of a bunch of compute units working separately, we’ve built a way for them to team up… sharing data and processing together like a single, focused AI engine. This changes the game for neural rendering: bigger ML models, less overhead, more efficiency, and far greater scalability as workloads grow.​

Radiance Cores – a new dedicated hardware block designed for unified light transport. It handles ray tracing and path tracing in real time, pushing lighting performance to a whole new level. This lets the GPU focus on what it does best: shading the scene. The result? A cleaner, faster, and more efficient pipeline, built for the next generation of ray-traced games.​
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Universal Compression – a system that evaluates every piece of data headed to memory, not just textures, and compresses it wherever possible. Only the essential bytes are sent, dramatically reducing memory bandwidth usage. This means the GPU can deliver more detail, higher frame rates, and greater efficiency.​

[paul]

Reactia DF:

00:00 Three innovations: Neural Arrays, Radiance Cores, and Universal Compression
09:41 PS6 games and cross-gen enhancements
15:55 PS6 hardware and release timing
24:14 Concluding thoughts

[paul]

PS6 in 2028, poate chiar 2029:

Sony Group Corp. is now considering pushing back the debut of its next PlayStation console to 2028 or even 2029, according to people familiar with the company’s thinking. That would be a major upset to a carefully orchestrated strategy to sustain user engagement between hardware generations.

Close rival Nintendo Co., which contributed to the surplus demand in 2025 after its new Switch 2 console drove storage card purchases, is also contemplating raising the price of that device in 2026, people familiar with its plans said.

Sony and Nintendo representatives didn’t respond to requests for comment.

AI Boom Driving a Global Memory Chip Shortage, Sending Prices Soaring - Bloomberg